Coming from a very small scientific community as it is the one of JGrass, I must honestly say that I am not very used to people helping to make things better. Usually the do it yourself rule applies best.
Which is why I am glad when I see community members answer to other's community members questions in mailinglist.
And which is why I am even very glad when I am able to "force" a community member to add a small page of documentation.
But my goodness!!! What happened to this blog is amazing, I am almost choked up!
Paul, thank you so much on behalf of the uDig community for the elegant work done to bring this blog to the cadillac of blogs...
Thursday, February 5, 2009
IRC Logs Feb 6th
Agenda:
0) common love for udig 1.2
1) CQL bug in 1.1.x
2) SoC 2009
3) FOSS4G 2009
4) bug hunt with emily_g
(7:16:41 AM) jgarnett: well lets start; moovida i responded to your email asking what we could talk about
(7:16:52 AM) jgarnett: but really I do not mind what we talk about; what is important today
(7:17:14 AM) ***moovida notices that Jody thinks andrea borruso and me are the same person
(7:17:20 AM) jgarnett: (I have a report of a mistake in the CQL parser on uDig 1.1.x; if we fix this in GeoTools 2.2.x are their any plans to release a uDig 1.1.2?)
(7:17:28 AM) jgarnett: ...grr...
(7:17:30 AM) moovida: :) I noticed because of the nice extention point for import/export
(7:17:34 AM) jgarnett: are we up to three Andrea's now
(7:17:48 AM) moovida: there can be only ONE!!!
(7:17:51 AM) moovida: :)
(7:17:54 AM) jgarnett: I got in trouble with duplicate names on the deegree list as well
(7:17:56 AM) moovida: ok, or 10 or 100
(7:18:12 AM) moovida: the Germans are on Markus, right?
(7:18:33 AM) jgarnett: syep
(7:18:34 AM) mauricio: hi
(7:18:34 AM) moovida: Italians like Andrea
(7:18:35 AM) jgarnett: yep
(7:18:44 AM) jgarnett: okay lets make the most of what time we have
(7:18:51 AM) jgarnett: agenda topics
(7:18:53 AM) moovida: yep
(7:19:11 AM) moovida: planning of next sprint
(7:19:13 AM) moovida: :)
(7:19:22 AM) ***moovida thinks udig needs common love
(7:20:51 AM) jgarnett has changed the topic to: 0) common love 1) 1.2-M2 SDK 2) CQL bug in 1.1.x
(7:20:52 AM) moovida: for me nothing in particular, wanted to ask a bit about foss4g 2009, since some of the important ones are here :)
(7:21:06 AM) jgarnett has changed the topic to: 0) common love 1) 1.2-M2 SDK 2) CQL bug in 1.1.x 3) SoC 4) FOSS4G
(7:21:16 AM) jgarnett: 0) common love
(7:21:43 AM) moovida: what is the state of udig 1.2 now?
(7:21:54 AM) moovida: mauricio: were you able to fix that editing bug?
(7:22:05 AM) moovida: just asking
(7:22:13 AM) moovida: I guess time is short usually
(7:22:15 AM) mauricio: :(
(7:22:20 AM) mauricio: no
(7:22:24 AM) moovida: which is why i would propose a new common efforth
(7:22:31 AM) mauricio: I cannot work in it
(7:22:36 AM) moovida: don't worry
(7:22:39 AM) moovida: I understand
(7:22:43 AM) jgarnett: what editing bug?
(7:23:05 AM) moovida: but we need to boost udig 1.2,I have enough to keep 2 versios of JGrass uptodate :)
(7:23:15 AM) moovida: one we had at the code sprint
(7:23:22 AM) moovida: perhaps silli remembers?
(7:23:31 AM) moovida: I don't know exactly any more
(7:23:36 AM) moovida: mauricio?
(7:23:40 AM) mauricio: yes editing features
(7:23:53 AM) silli: it was the an editing bug
(7:24:09 AM) mauricio: the old geometry
(7:24:18 AM) silli: when editing a feature and commit the changes
(7:24:27 AM) silli: then you can not edit an other layer again
(7:24:50 AM) silli: and still there were some problems rendering the edited feature
(7:25:04 AM) jgarnett: okay I must of missed that part of the discussion
(7:25:09 AM) jgarnett: emily_g ping?
(7:25:21 AM) emily_g: yo
(7:25:28 AM) jgarnett: (Emily did some testing of the udig 1.2-M2 release against the walkthroughs and came up with an email)
(7:25:38 AM) jgarnett: we were talking about udig 1.2
(7:25:38 AM) emily_g: right - I only tested walkthough1
(7:25:45 AM) emily_g: none of the editing stuff - sorry
(7:26:08 AM) jgarnett: np; you did have some problems (like DnD from firefox)
(7:26:39 AM) emily_g: yes that is a bit of an intermittent problem; sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't
(7:29:18 AM) silli: moovida: could you please send us the spreadsheet link of the code sprint? all the unresolved bugs where written there
(7:29:19 AM) jgarnett: hrm
(7:29:34 AM) jgarnett: moovida I am not sure what else you would like out of this agenda topic at this time
(7:30:04 AM) jgarnett: I have some plans for udig 1.2 on the API side; I am slowly rolling out an ID class; and I owe you an extension point for stype handling.
(7:30:07 AM) moovida: :) a date Jody, a date, and people willing and happy to hack again a couple of days
(7:30:26 AM) jgarnett: ah
(7:30:33 AM) ***moovida the spreadsheet link: http://www.editgrid.com/user/aborruso/uDig_code_Sprint_2009
(7:30:48 AM) moovida: that is all, I would like to know
(7:30:51 AM) jgarnett: I do not have any plans right now; so I will be happy with whatever date you propose on the mailing list.
(7:31:19 AM) moovida: what about the others? opinions?
(7:31:35 AM) moovida: I would like to know if there is interest right now
(7:31:51 AM) moovida: so I can also plan for myself
(7:32:17 AM) jgarnett: There is interesting; I am just thinking of timing.
(7:32:43 AM) jgarnett: LISAsoft's own project using uDig (which jhudson was working on) is comming to an end.
(7:32:51 AM) moovida: Jody, we are interested, but to do some decent bugfixing
(7:32:55 AM) jgarnett: moovida it would be good to roll out the uDig 1.2-M2 SDK
(7:33:00 AM) moovida: we need some more then us two
(7:33:06 AM) moovida: some more coders and some testers
(7:33:16 AM) moovida: else it won't be worth it
(7:33:21 AM) moovida: in my opinion
(7:33:31 AM) jgarnett: you are correct
(7:33:33 AM) moovida: jgarnett: yes, you are absolutwely right
(7:33:42 AM) jgarnett: now the last code sprint did a lot of good
(7:33:57 AM) jgarnett: but if we have a code sprint too often they will not be a special event of fun and happiness
(7:34:02 AM) emily_g: I may be able to commit some time; but at the moment I'm rather focused on my wfs caching so now is not the best time
(7:34:24 AM) moovida: great emily_g
(7:34:26 AM) emily_g: I'm inclined to agree with jody that we should wait a bit
(7:34:26 AM) jgarnett: so I would like to roll out udig 1.2-M2 SDK and see the response; and we can ask people about another code sprint over the course of the week.
(7:34:32 AM) moovida: and I agree jgarnett
(7:34:38 AM) jgarnett: thinking
(7:34:41 AM) jgarnett: ha ha
(7:34:42 AM) jgarnett: evil idea
(7:34:43 AM) emily_g: I think people are still getting up to speed after the last code sprint that was done
(7:34:46 AM) moovida: it doesn't have to be now
(7:35:07 AM) moovida: what are you thinking about
(7:35:11 AM) jgarnett: perhaps if we have a code sprint on new features; or pet projects it would be fun. emily_g could work on feature caching; I could work on ID
(7:35:13 AM) jgarnett: etc...
(7:35:36 AM) moovida: that would be great fun... but...
(7:35:52 AM) moovida: don't you think that would add unstability to the base?
(7:35:55 AM) jgarnett: last time I said no to new features; I bet we could get a turn out if we offered to help people create new features.
(7:36:01 AM) jgarnett: yeah you are right :-P
(7:36:06 AM) jgarnett: we can keep that idea for later.
(7:36:15 AM) emily_g: i agree; that fixing the base functionality should be more important
(7:36:21 AM) moovida: hmmm, but the idea turns me on :)
(7:36:27 AM) jgarnett: think about it
(7:36:33 AM) jgarnett: and we can ask on the email list this week
(7:36:33 AM) moovida: we should mix a bit
(7:36:36 AM) moovida: probably
(7:36:45 AM) moovida: yes, lets see the response
(7:36:53 AM) jgarnett: 2) CQL bug in 1.1.x
(7:37:04 AM) mauricio: yes
(7:37:05 AM) jgarnett: I have a report of a bug in the CQL parser; which I ported to GeoTools 2.2.x
(7:37:21 AM) jgarnett: if I go and fix it; is there any plans to release a uDig 1.1.2?
(7:37:36 AM) jgarnett: Jesse put up a "teaser" of 1.1.2 but it never went anywhere
(7:38:31 AM) mauricio: I could have a look in 2.2x branch
(7:39:24 AM) mauricio: or you are working in it?
(7:40:09 AM) mauricio: I found problems with all spatial relations
(7:40:27 AM) mauricio: intersect, dwithin, etc
(7:41:00 AM) jgarnett: I do not even have 2.2.x checked out
(7:41:15 AM) jgarnett: indeed I ported CQL in a matter of days; and have not really got a code review from anyone.
(7:41:30 AM) jgarnett: I just found it so much fun on trunk; and the reshape operation is fun
(7:42:17 AM) mauricio: yes trunk is ok
(7:42:18 AM) ***moovida thinks reshape is very imprtant fun
(7:42:24 AM) jgarnett: okay well if there is a will to look at this problem; I will match the community by trying to make a 1.1.2 release - however I am really not in a good position to do so. So if we can hunt down jeichar it would be a better move all around.
(7:42:49 AM) jgarnett: (I am not confident my eclipse set up will let me make a good 1.1.2 release; and we would like to have an installer and stuff)
(7:43:25 AM) jgarnett: mauricio we can take this one to email?
(7:43:33 AM) mauricio: ok
(7:45:08 AM) jgarnett: 3) SoC
(7:45:22 AM) jgarnett: Who is on the SoC email list for osgeo?
(7:45:32 AM) moovida: i am
(7:45:39 AM) jgarnett: I am; and I saw Jesse
(7:45:55 AM) jgarnett: it looks like they are trying to get organized faster this year; due to the SoC program having less scope.
(7:46:17 AM) moovida: yes, same feeling
(7:46:48 AM) jgarnett: So far all I can think to do to prepair is work on the Ideas page; and try and be more specific - and clear out things that were done last time around.
(7:47:11 AM) jgarnett: I also think we should change our expectations for participation on email lists etc...
(7:47:17 AM) moovida: you said that students contacted you?
(7:47:30 AM) moovida: yes, last year was soooo disappointing
(7:47:38 AM) jgarnett: so far the successful students have been very outgoing and chatted on the email list themselves; the others I have had to hunt down their moderator and ask what is going on.
(7:48:21 AM) jgarnett: so I would be happy stating that we will only consider students that have introduced themselves to udig-devel before :-)
(7:48:30 AM) jgarnett: it is a low bar to pass; but I think it would get the point across
(7:48:35 AM) moovida: that is a great idea
(7:48:39 AM) moovida: absolutely
(7:49:57 AM) jgarnett: so I was only reading the SoC list for January; yesterday :-)
(7:50:08 AM) jgarnett: who is actually paying attention; do we have any deadlines or schedules to meet?
(7:50:34 AM) mauricio: I am here
(7:50:39 AM) moovida: :) no idea, I didn't see anything pass... but I am rather blind these s=days
(7:50:48 AM) moovida: we could ask Wolf
(7:50:52 AM) moovida: he is really helpful
(7:52:30 AM) moovida: anyone already some people?
(7:52:38 AM) moovida: jgarnett: did you talk about students?
(7:53:31 AM) jgarnett: one of the students from last year asked me if it was still on; that is what had me check the osgeo list
(7:54:00 AM) jgarnett: (mauricio I was trying to ask who was paying attention to the SOC list)
(7:54:05 AM) moovida: jgarnett: btw, I am a Phd right now and would be allowed to partecipate as student
(7:54:17 AM) moovida: somebody here to mentor me? :)
(7:54:19 AM) jgarnett: really; that is cool. Can you sponsor yourself?
(7:54:22 AM) mauricio: I am not in the soc
(7:54:37 AM) mauricio: but i am thinking tha it is interesting
(7:54:45 AM) moovida: jgarnett: what do you mean?
(7:55:00 AM) jgarnett: I was joking
(7:55:03 AM) moovida: if I would be willing to partecipate?
(7:55:04 AM) moovida: :)
(7:55:07 AM) mauricio: I could work with spanish students
(7:55:19 AM) moovida: ok, even if I talked to Wolf about this
(7:55:32 AM) moovida: I am very tempted
(7:55:35 AM) jgarnett: so in general we are keen here; we need to talk to wolf and work on the ideas page
(7:55:45 AM) moovida: after seeing Martin Landa from GRASS do the same and
(7:55:52 AM) moovida: achieve big things for GRASS
(7:56:05 AM) moovida: ok
(7:56:10 AM) pramsey left the room (quit: ).
(7:56:12 AM) moovida: let's go on
(7:56:44 AM) moovida: 4) FOSS4G
(7:56:52 AM) moovida: jgarnett: what is your feeling here?
(7:57:02 AM) moovida: you should be quite in it, right?
(7:57:09 AM) jgarnett: I am helping organize
(7:57:23 AM) jgarnett: right now my focus is on getting a machine for the "intergration showcase"
(7:57:30 AM) jgarnett: it has been tossed out of the foss4g team
(7:57:35 AM) jgarnett: and give to the OGC as a formal project
(7:57:45 AM) jgarnett: and called the "Climate Change Intergration Plugfest"
(7:58:05 AM) jgarnett: still the short term goal for me is a server to install postGIS/ geoserver/ mapserver on
(7:58:13 AM) jgarnett: with a bunch of climate change data
(7:58:28 AM) jgarnett: we will add servers as sponsors show up; and hopefully have a nice big shoot out
(7:58:42 AM) jgarnett: with large datasets and see who is standing and who fell at the end of the day
(7:58:55 AM) jgarnett: mark issues the call for workshops ... earlier this week
(7:59:04 AM) jgarnett: There is a *very* limited number of 3 hour slots
(7:59:04 AM) moovida: is there a scientific committee or is that all just for showing?
(7:59:12 AM) jgarnett: and no 90 mins slots this time out
(7:59:18 AM) moovida: i.e. is there some analisis and statistic on those data?
(7:59:34 AM) jgarnett: JGrass could showcase data anlaysis against that data set
(7:59:44 AM) jgarnett: indeed this is the point; for workshop people to use the data and serves
(7:59:54 AM) jgarnett: (since data access to europe or north america will be crap)
(7:59:56 AM) moovida: ahhh, now I understand, sounds really cool
(8:00:09 AM) jgarnett: so if we want to do a workshop; we need to put in a strong bid
(8:00:14 AM) jgarnett: and even then it will be tough.
(8:00:19 AM) moovida: silli: sounds to be something for you :)
(8:00:33 AM) jgarnett: they will also have small 90 min BYO laptop things during the conference
(8:00:35 AM) silli: are you thinking just on manage these data (db and show the raw data or some statistical interpretation) or also have some models?
(8:00:44 AM) jgarnett: but having a class bring their own laptop sounds crazy hard to me
(8:01:22 AM) jeichar left the room (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
(8:01:24 AM) jgarnett: um we will have vector and raster data; it is scientific groups in australia giving us the data - I have not sceen it yet so I do not know much.
(8:01:26 AM) jgarnett: thinking
(8:01:41 AM) jgarnett: maybe we could do a combined udig / jgrass workshop?
(8:02:00 AM) moovida: hui hui, now that would be fun
(8:02:03 AM) jgarnett: 90 min intro to open source software stack using uDig as the driver (like what we did in 2007)
(8:02:10 AM) jgarnett: and roll over to installing jgrass plugins
(8:02:16 AM) jgarnett: and attacking the climate change data?
(8:02:31 AM) jgarnett: in anycase this is something for the email list
(8:02:36 AM) moovida: yes, that sounds like big power
(8:02:37 AM) moovida: :D
(8:02:45 AM) moovida: ok, agreed, can you keep us up to date?
(8:02:56 AM) jgarnett: but at least this year; please have no hard feelings if we do not get a workshop - there are only like 16 slots or 12 slots or something
(8:02:56 AM) silli: :D
(8:03:04 AM) jgarnett: the presentations are like normal
(8:03:23 AM) jgarnett: the BYO laptop thing can be hands on; or maybe just show and tell; I do not really understand.
(8:03:34 AM) jgarnett: And there will be a code sprint :-)
(8:03:51 AM) moovida: not after the last night of party please
(8:04:00 AM) jgarnett: looks like google is going to offer us digs; and they are 2 blocks away from lisasoft offices if you guys want to go longer.
(8:04:26 AM) jgarnett: and I will try and do pancakes again :-)
(8:04:35 AM) moovida: mauricio: are you going to attend?
(8:04:42 AM) mauricio: yes
(8:04:43 AM) moovida: you have to taste Jody's pancakes :)
(8:04:47 AM) jgarnett: (if you liked the big truck rental in Canada; here they have muscle cars)
(8:04:54 AM) mauricio: ;)
(8:05:04 AM) moovida: silli: did you hear that!! :D
(8:05:44 AM) silli: yes!!!!
(8:05:55 AM) jgarnett: yep it is like the 50s in north america; they still make v8 monsters; the scary ones are not a car but a car/trunk called a ute
(8:05:58 AM) silli: moovida: we should do everything to partecipate...
(8:06:06 AM) jgarnett: where they have a truck bed for the back; which is lighter so they can go faster
(8:06:24 AM) moovida: :D
(8:06:30 AM) silli: :D
(8:06:51 AM) silli: absolutely fantastic!!!
(8:06:54 AM) jgarnett: well as time goes on I would love help organizing the code sprint; reminding people to be organized; etc... if the conference starts making profit the code sprint may get food service as well
(8:07:05 AM) jgarnett: (not sure how much of this I am supposed to be saying)
(8:07:20 AM) jgarnett: and this climate change thing is going to be fun
(8:07:22 AM) moovida: remove it from the logs
(8:07:28 AM) jgarnett: but it will be really hard to get the open source communities to notice
(8:07:29 AM) moovida: we won't tell anyone :)
(8:07:40 AM) jgarnett: (or even understand that their fav datasets are too far away to be useful)
(8:08:06 AM) jgarnett: so as Mark Leslie and I start standing up servers; maybe we can make some blog posts or flash videos
(8:08:11 AM) jgarnett: showing how to abuse the data
(8:08:21 AM) jgarnett: I worry a bit with this as an OGC thing
(8:08:22 AM) moovida: yes, do that, I really hope we will be able to produce something usefull
(8:08:29 AM) jgarnett: the open source community will not feel as invoved
(8:08:35 AM) jgarnett: (sorry involved)
(8:09:03 AM) jgarnett: finally I have a funny story
(8:09:22 AM) moovida: ?
(8:09:38 AM) jgarnett: One of the cool helpful geotools developers
(8:09:47 AM) jgarnett: (Michael Bedward)
(8:09:49 AM) jgarnett: and I
(8:09:54 AM) jgarnett: finally noticed we were in the same city.
(8:10:02 AM) moovida: lol
(8:10:06 AM) silli: lol
(8:10:08 AM) moovida: he told me last week
(8:10:12 AM) jgarnett: so I am not complete stranded over here; it took us three months to notice
(8:10:14 AM) moovida: Ididn't figure out
(8:10:53 AM) jgarnett: In anycase we are coming up on an hour here; I am glad we are all having fun; and foss4g is going to rock out :-)
(8:11:09 AM) moovida: great
(8:11:14 AM) moovida: thanks for the chat guys
(8:11:40 AM) jgarnett: I will try and upload a 1.2-M2 sdk; but I will need testing (to see of the source code for geotools got in etc...)
(8:11:45 AM) emily_g: jody - before you run away I have a question about the image support on trunk & the problems graham was having yesterday
(8:11:49 AM) jgarnett: it is supposed to be building now; I was hoping to anounce it this meeting.
(8:11:53 AM) jgarnett: ah
(8:11:56 AM) jgarnett: sure
(8:12:13 AM) jgarnett: gdavis did not have his log on; so he did not notice the strack tace
(8:12:17 AM) emily_g: basically I did a clean/refresh/clean/build/restart and I still can't view mr.side files
(8:12:19 AM) moovida: gdavis_: is it possible to try out your sperimental plugins?
(8:12:22 AM) jgarnett: I forgot a null check and was killing it
(8:12:36 AM) emily_g: it's working for graham so its just my comptuer
(8:12:44 AM) emily_g: I was wondering whether you have any ideas for debugging?
(8:12:44 AM) jgarnett: gdavis also was using the wrong imageioext jars
(8:12:47 AM) jgarnett: he had 1.0.0
(8:12:49 AM) jgarnett: not 1.0.1
(8:13:22 AM) jgarnett: can you check what you have emily? before we start ... you may need to smack refresh.xml pretty hard (ie clean out the libs directory and then run)
(8:13:23 AM) emily_g: min all say 1.0.1
(8:13:39 AM) jgarnett: okay that is the first thing; you also have a JRE with all the imageio-ext stuff?
(8:13:57 AM) jgarnett: (note we still do not have a good JRE for the windows platform; we need to make a new one that can do ecw as well)
(8:14:07 AM) emily_g: yes - I'm using the same one as graham
(8:14:30 AM) jgarnett: okay; what is next ... what is your error? We have two debugging techniques
(8:14:38 AM) jgarnett: - consol log and look for strack trace
(8:14:51 AM) jgarnett: - place a breakpoint in the service extension and watch it process the URL
(8:15:18 AM) emily_g: okay ; I'll try those
(8:15:21 AM) emily_g: i'm not getting any error
(8:15:27 AM) emily_g: when I drag and drop a file it doesn't nothing
(8:15:40 AM) jgarnett: all that means is that it did not find any service extension that "recognized it"
(8:15:43 AM) emily_g: and when I open the file using the file menu it just hangs on the loading resource dialog box
(8:15:45 AM) jgarnett: so we need to put that break point in
(8:16:02 AM) jgarnett: so to debug this we will use debugging technique number 2
(8:16:15 AM) silli left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection).
(8:16:38 AM) jgarnett: suppose I should post the logs
(8:16:41 AM) emily_g: okay jody I'll try it out when I get the chance; at the moment I'm a bit sidetracked
(8:16:45 AM) emily_g: thanks for the ideas
(8:16:54 AM) jgarnett: okay; I will be on IRC on and off
(8:17:00 AM) jgarnett: so ping me when you get to the debugging part
(8:17:00 AM) emily_g: if I find anything major I'll post it to the list; most likely I'm just doing something stupid
(8:17:18 AM) jgarnett: (not gdavis also had problems with the code tripping up over spaces in the path)
(8:17:26 AM) jgarnett: heh - not you
(8:17:31 AM) jgarnett: blame the computer :-)
(8:17:41 AM) jgarnett: for extra fun "svn blame" will tell you who committed the error
(8:21:01 AM) emily_g: :)
(7:16:52 AM) jgarnett: but really I do not mind what we talk about; what is important today
(7:17:14 AM) ***moovida notices that Jody thinks andrea borruso and me are the same person
(7:17:20 AM) jgarnett: (I have a report of a mistake in the CQL parser on uDig 1.1.x; if we fix this in GeoTools 2.2.x are their any plans to release a uDig 1.1.2?)
(7:17:28 AM) jgarnett: ...grr...
(7:17:30 AM) moovida: :) I noticed because of the nice extention point for import/export
(7:17:34 AM) jgarnett: are we up to three Andrea's now
(7:17:48 AM) moovida: there can be only ONE!!!
(7:17:51 AM) moovida: :)
(7:17:54 AM) jgarnett: I got in trouble with duplicate names on the deegree list as well
(7:17:56 AM) moovida: ok, or 10 or 100
(7:18:12 AM) moovida: the Germans are on Markus, right?
(7:18:33 AM) jgarnett: syep
(7:18:34 AM) mauricio: hi
(7:18:34 AM) moovida: Italians like Andrea
(7:18:35 AM) jgarnett: yep
(7:18:44 AM) jgarnett: okay lets make the most of what time we have
(7:18:51 AM) jgarnett: agenda topics
(7:18:53 AM) moovida: yep
(7:19:11 AM) moovida: planning of next sprint
(7:19:13 AM) moovida: :)
(7:19:22 AM) ***moovida thinks udig needs common love
(7:20:51 AM) jgarnett has changed the topic to: 0) common love 1) 1.2-M2 SDK 2) CQL bug in 1.1.x
(7:20:52 AM) moovida: for me nothing in particular, wanted to ask a bit about foss4g 2009, since some of the important ones are here :)
(7:21:06 AM) jgarnett has changed the topic to: 0) common love 1) 1.2-M2 SDK 2) CQL bug in 1.1.x 3) SoC 4) FOSS4G
(7:21:16 AM) jgarnett: 0) common love
(7:21:43 AM) moovida: what is the state of udig 1.2 now?
(7:21:54 AM) moovida: mauricio: were you able to fix that editing bug?
(7:22:05 AM) moovida: just asking
(7:22:13 AM) moovida: I guess time is short usually
(7:22:15 AM) mauricio: :(
(7:22:20 AM) mauricio: no
(7:22:24 AM) moovida: which is why i would propose a new common efforth
(7:22:31 AM) mauricio: I cannot work in it
(7:22:36 AM) moovida: don't worry
(7:22:39 AM) moovida: I understand
(7:22:43 AM) jgarnett: what editing bug?
(7:23:05 AM) moovida: but we need to boost udig 1.2,I have enough to keep 2 versios of JGrass uptodate :)
(7:23:15 AM) moovida: one we had at the code sprint
(7:23:22 AM) moovida: perhaps silli remembers?
(7:23:31 AM) moovida: I don't know exactly any more
(7:23:36 AM) moovida: mauricio?
(7:23:40 AM) mauricio: yes editing features
(7:23:53 AM) silli: it was the an editing bug
(7:24:09 AM) mauricio: the old geometry
(7:24:18 AM) silli: when editing a feature and commit the changes
(7:24:27 AM) silli: then you can not edit an other layer again
(7:24:50 AM) silli: and still there were some problems rendering the edited feature
(7:25:04 AM) jgarnett: okay I must of missed that part of the discussion
(7:25:09 AM) jgarnett: emily_g ping?
(7:25:21 AM) emily_g: yo
(7:25:28 AM) jgarnett: (Emily did some testing of the udig 1.2-M2 release against the walkthroughs and came up with an email)
(7:25:38 AM) jgarnett: we were talking about udig 1.2
(7:25:38 AM) emily_g: right - I only tested walkthough1
(7:25:45 AM) emily_g: none of the editing stuff - sorry
(7:26:08 AM) jgarnett: np; you did have some problems (like DnD from firefox)
(7:26:39 AM) emily_g: yes that is a bit of an intermittent problem; sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't
(7:29:18 AM) silli: moovida: could you please send us the spreadsheet link of the code sprint? all the unresolved bugs where written there
(7:29:19 AM) jgarnett: hrm
(7:29:34 AM) jgarnett: moovida I am not sure what else you would like out of this agenda topic at this time
(7:30:04 AM) jgarnett: I have some plans for udig 1.2 on the API side; I am slowly rolling out an ID class; and I owe you an extension point for stype handling.
(7:30:07 AM) moovida: :) a date Jody, a date, and people willing and happy to hack again a couple of days
(7:30:26 AM) jgarnett: ah
(7:30:33 AM) ***moovida the spreadsheet link: http://www.editgrid.com/user/aborruso/uDig_code_Sprint_2009
(7:30:48 AM) moovida: that is all, I would like to know
(7:30:51 AM) jgarnett: I do not have any plans right now; so I will be happy with whatever date you propose on the mailing list.
(7:31:19 AM) moovida: what about the others? opinions?
(7:31:35 AM) moovida: I would like to know if there is interest right now
(7:31:51 AM) moovida: so I can also plan for myself
(7:32:17 AM) jgarnett: There is interesting; I am just thinking of timing.
(7:32:43 AM) jgarnett: LISAsoft's own project using uDig (which jhudson was working on) is comming to an end.
(7:32:51 AM) moovida: Jody, we are interested, but to do some decent bugfixing
(7:32:55 AM) jgarnett: moovida it would be good to roll out the uDig 1.2-M2 SDK
(7:33:00 AM) moovida: we need some more then us two
(7:33:06 AM) moovida: some more coders and some testers
(7:33:16 AM) moovida: else it won't be worth it
(7:33:21 AM) moovida: in my opinion
(7:33:31 AM) jgarnett: you are correct
(7:33:33 AM) moovida: jgarnett: yes, you are absolutwely right
(7:33:42 AM) jgarnett: now the last code sprint did a lot of good
(7:33:57 AM) jgarnett: but if we have a code sprint too often they will not be a special event of fun and happiness
(7:34:02 AM) emily_g: I may be able to commit some time; but at the moment I'm rather focused on my wfs caching so now is not the best time
(7:34:24 AM) moovida: great emily_g
(7:34:26 AM) emily_g: I'm inclined to agree with jody that we should wait a bit
(7:34:26 AM) jgarnett: so I would like to roll out udig 1.2-M2 SDK and see the response; and we can ask people about another code sprint over the course of the week.
(7:34:32 AM) moovida: and I agree jgarnett
(7:34:38 AM) jgarnett: thinking
(7:34:41 AM) jgarnett: ha ha
(7:34:42 AM) jgarnett: evil idea
(7:34:43 AM) emily_g: I think people are still getting up to speed after the last code sprint that was done
(7:34:46 AM) moovida: it doesn't have to be now
(7:35:07 AM) moovida: what are you thinking about
(7:35:11 AM) jgarnett: perhaps if we have a code sprint on new features; or pet projects it would be fun. emily_g could work on feature caching; I could work on ID
(7:35:13 AM) jgarnett: etc...
(7:35:36 AM) moovida: that would be great fun... but...
(7:35:52 AM) moovida: don't you think that would add unstability to the base?
(7:35:55 AM) jgarnett: last time I said no to new features; I bet we could get a turn out if we offered to help people create new features.
(7:36:01 AM) jgarnett: yeah you are right :-P
(7:36:06 AM) jgarnett: we can keep that idea for later.
(7:36:15 AM) emily_g: i agree; that fixing the base functionality should be more important
(7:36:21 AM) moovida: hmmm, but the idea turns me on :)
(7:36:27 AM) jgarnett: think about it
(7:36:33 AM) jgarnett: and we can ask on the email list this week
(7:36:33 AM) moovida: we should mix a bit
(7:36:36 AM) moovida: probably
(7:36:45 AM) moovida: yes, lets see the response
(7:36:53 AM) jgarnett: 2) CQL bug in 1.1.x
(7:37:04 AM) mauricio: yes
(7:37:05 AM) jgarnett: I have a report of a bug in the CQL parser; which I ported to GeoTools 2.2.x
(7:37:21 AM) jgarnett: if I go and fix it; is there any plans to release a uDig 1.1.2?
(7:37:36 AM) jgarnett: Jesse put up a "teaser" of 1.1.2 but it never went anywhere
(7:38:31 AM) mauricio: I could have a look in 2.2x branch
(7:39:24 AM) mauricio: or you are working in it?
(7:40:09 AM) mauricio: I found problems with all spatial relations
(7:40:27 AM) mauricio: intersect, dwithin, etc
(7:41:00 AM) jgarnett: I do not even have 2.2.x checked out
(7:41:15 AM) jgarnett: indeed I ported CQL in a matter of days; and have not really got a code review from anyone.
(7:41:30 AM) jgarnett: I just found it so much fun on trunk; and the reshape operation is fun
(7:42:17 AM) mauricio: yes trunk is ok
(7:42:18 AM) ***moovida thinks reshape is very imprtant fun
(7:42:24 AM) jgarnett: okay well if there is a will to look at this problem; I will match the community by trying to make a 1.1.2 release - however I am really not in a good position to do so. So if we can hunt down jeichar it would be a better move all around.
(7:42:49 AM) jgarnett: (I am not confident my eclipse set up will let me make a good 1.1.2 release; and we would like to have an installer and stuff)
(7:43:25 AM) jgarnett: mauricio we can take this one to email?
(7:43:33 AM) mauricio: ok
(7:45:08 AM) jgarnett: 3) SoC
(7:45:22 AM) jgarnett: Who is on the SoC email list for osgeo?
(7:45:32 AM) moovida: i am
(7:45:39 AM) jgarnett: I am; and I saw Jesse
(7:45:55 AM) jgarnett: it looks like they are trying to get organized faster this year; due to the SoC program having less scope.
(7:46:17 AM) moovida: yes, same feeling
(7:46:48 AM) jgarnett: So far all I can think to do to prepair is work on the Ideas page; and try and be more specific - and clear out things that were done last time around.
(7:47:11 AM) jgarnett: I also think we should change our expectations for participation on email lists etc...
(7:47:17 AM) moovida: you said that students contacted you?
(7:47:30 AM) moovida: yes, last year was soooo disappointing
(7:47:38 AM) jgarnett: so far the successful students have been very outgoing and chatted on the email list themselves; the others I have had to hunt down their moderator and ask what is going on.
(7:48:21 AM) jgarnett: so I would be happy stating that we will only consider students that have introduced themselves to udig-devel before :-)
(7:48:30 AM) jgarnett: it is a low bar to pass; but I think it would get the point across
(7:48:35 AM) moovida: that is a great idea
(7:48:39 AM) moovida: absolutely
(7:49:57 AM) jgarnett: so I was only reading the SoC list for January; yesterday :-)
(7:50:08 AM) jgarnett: who is actually paying attention; do we have any deadlines or schedules to meet?
(7:50:34 AM) mauricio: I am here
(7:50:39 AM) moovida: :) no idea, I didn't see anything pass... but I am rather blind these s=days
(7:50:48 AM) moovida: we could ask Wolf
(7:50:52 AM) moovida: he is really helpful
(7:52:30 AM) moovida: anyone already some people?
(7:52:38 AM) moovida: jgarnett: did you talk about students?
(7:53:31 AM) jgarnett: one of the students from last year asked me if it was still on; that is what had me check the osgeo list
(7:54:00 AM) jgarnett: (mauricio I was trying to ask who was paying attention to the SOC list)
(7:54:05 AM) moovida: jgarnett: btw, I am a Phd right now and would be allowed to partecipate as student
(7:54:17 AM) moovida: somebody here to mentor me? :)
(7:54:19 AM) jgarnett: really; that is cool. Can you sponsor yourself?
(7:54:22 AM) mauricio: I am not in the soc
(7:54:37 AM) mauricio: but i am thinking tha it is interesting
(7:54:45 AM) moovida: jgarnett: what do you mean?
(7:55:00 AM) jgarnett: I was joking
(7:55:03 AM) moovida: if I would be willing to partecipate?
(7:55:04 AM) moovida: :)
(7:55:07 AM) mauricio: I could work with spanish students
(7:55:19 AM) moovida: ok, even if I talked to Wolf about this
(7:55:32 AM) moovida: I am very tempted
(7:55:35 AM) jgarnett: so in general we are keen here; we need to talk to wolf and work on the ideas page
(7:55:45 AM) moovida: after seeing Martin Landa from GRASS do the same and
(7:55:52 AM) moovida: achieve big things for GRASS
(7:56:05 AM) moovida: ok
(7:56:10 AM) pramsey left the room (quit: ).
(7:56:12 AM) moovida: let's go on
(7:56:44 AM) moovida: 4) FOSS4G
(7:56:52 AM) moovida: jgarnett: what is your feeling here?
(7:57:02 AM) moovida: you should be quite in it, right?
(7:57:09 AM) jgarnett: I am helping organize
(7:57:23 AM) jgarnett: right now my focus is on getting a machine for the "intergration showcase"
(7:57:30 AM) jgarnett: it has been tossed out of the foss4g team
(7:57:35 AM) jgarnett: and give to the OGC as a formal project
(7:57:45 AM) jgarnett: and called the "Climate Change Intergration Plugfest"
(7:58:05 AM) jgarnett: still the short term goal for me is a server to install postGIS/ geoserver/ mapserver on
(7:58:13 AM) jgarnett: with a bunch of climate change data
(7:58:28 AM) jgarnett: we will add servers as sponsors show up; and hopefully have a nice big shoot out
(7:58:42 AM) jgarnett: with large datasets and see who is standing and who fell at the end of the day
(7:58:55 AM) jgarnett: mark issues the call for workshops ... earlier this week
(7:59:04 AM) jgarnett: There is a *very* limited number of 3 hour slots
(7:59:04 AM) moovida: is there a scientific committee or is that all just for showing?
(7:59:12 AM) jgarnett: and no 90 mins slots this time out
(7:59:18 AM) moovida: i.e. is there some analisis and statistic on those data?
(7:59:34 AM) jgarnett: JGrass could showcase data anlaysis against that data set
(7:59:44 AM) jgarnett: indeed this is the point; for workshop people to use the data and serves
(7:59:54 AM) jgarnett: (since data access to europe or north america will be crap)
(7:59:56 AM) moovida: ahhh, now I understand, sounds really cool
(8:00:09 AM) jgarnett: so if we want to do a workshop; we need to put in a strong bid
(8:00:14 AM) jgarnett: and even then it will be tough.
(8:00:19 AM) moovida: silli: sounds to be something for you :)
(8:00:33 AM) jgarnett: they will also have small 90 min BYO laptop things during the conference
(8:00:35 AM) silli: are you thinking just on manage these data (db and show the raw data or some statistical interpretation) or also have some models?
(8:00:44 AM) jgarnett: but having a class bring their own laptop sounds crazy hard to me
(8:01:22 AM) jeichar left the room (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
(8:01:24 AM) jgarnett: um we will have vector and raster data; it is scientific groups in australia giving us the data - I have not sceen it yet so I do not know much.
(8:01:26 AM) jgarnett: thinking
(8:01:41 AM) jgarnett: maybe we could do a combined udig / jgrass workshop?
(8:02:00 AM) moovida: hui hui, now that would be fun
(8:02:03 AM) jgarnett: 90 min intro to open source software stack using uDig as the driver (like what we did in 2007)
(8:02:10 AM) jgarnett: and roll over to installing jgrass plugins
(8:02:16 AM) jgarnett: and attacking the climate change data?
(8:02:31 AM) jgarnett: in anycase this is something for the email list
(8:02:36 AM) moovida: yes, that sounds like big power
(8:02:37 AM) moovida: :D
(8:02:45 AM) moovida: ok, agreed, can you keep us up to date?
(8:02:56 AM) jgarnett: but at least this year; please have no hard feelings if we do not get a workshop - there are only like 16 slots or 12 slots or something
(8:02:56 AM) silli: :D
(8:03:04 AM) jgarnett: the presentations are like normal
(8:03:23 AM) jgarnett: the BYO laptop thing can be hands on; or maybe just show and tell; I do not really understand.
(8:03:34 AM) jgarnett: And there will be a code sprint :-)
(8:03:51 AM) moovida: not after the last night of party please
(8:04:00 AM) jgarnett: looks like google is going to offer us digs; and they are 2 blocks away from lisasoft offices if you guys want to go longer.
(8:04:26 AM) jgarnett: and I will try and do pancakes again :-)
(8:04:35 AM) moovida: mauricio: are you going to attend?
(8:04:42 AM) mauricio: yes
(8:04:43 AM) moovida: you have to taste Jody's pancakes :)
(8:04:47 AM) jgarnett: (if you liked the big truck rental in Canada; here they have muscle cars)
(8:04:54 AM) mauricio: ;)
(8:05:04 AM) moovida: silli: did you hear that!! :D
(8:05:44 AM) silli: yes!!!!
(8:05:55 AM) jgarnett: yep it is like the 50s in north america; they still make v8 monsters; the scary ones are not a car but a car/trunk called a ute
(8:05:58 AM) silli: moovida: we should do everything to partecipate...
(8:06:06 AM) jgarnett: where they have a truck bed for the back; which is lighter so they can go faster
(8:06:24 AM) moovida: :D
(8:06:30 AM) silli: :D
(8:06:51 AM) silli: absolutely fantastic!!!
(8:06:54 AM) jgarnett: well as time goes on I would love help organizing the code sprint; reminding people to be organized; etc... if the conference starts making profit the code sprint may get food service as well
(8:07:05 AM) jgarnett: (not sure how much of this I am supposed to be saying)
(8:07:20 AM) jgarnett: and this climate change thing is going to be fun
(8:07:22 AM) moovida: remove it from the logs
(8:07:28 AM) jgarnett: but it will be really hard to get the open source communities to notice
(8:07:29 AM) moovida: we won't tell anyone :)
(8:07:40 AM) jgarnett: (or even understand that their fav datasets are too far away to be useful)
(8:08:06 AM) jgarnett: so as Mark Leslie and I start standing up servers; maybe we can make some blog posts or flash videos
(8:08:11 AM) jgarnett: showing how to abuse the data
(8:08:21 AM) jgarnett: I worry a bit with this as an OGC thing
(8:08:22 AM) moovida: yes, do that, I really hope we will be able to produce something usefull
(8:08:29 AM) jgarnett: the open source community will not feel as invoved
(8:08:35 AM) jgarnett: (sorry involved)
(8:09:03 AM) jgarnett: finally I have a funny story
(8:09:22 AM) moovida: ?
(8:09:38 AM) jgarnett: One of the cool helpful geotools developers
(8:09:47 AM) jgarnett: (Michael Bedward)
(8:09:49 AM) jgarnett: and I
(8:09:54 AM) jgarnett: finally noticed we were in the same city.
(8:10:02 AM) moovida: lol
(8:10:06 AM) silli: lol
(8:10:08 AM) moovida: he told me last week
(8:10:12 AM) jgarnett: so I am not complete stranded over here; it took us three months to notice
(8:10:14 AM) moovida: Ididn't figure out
(8:10:53 AM) jgarnett: In anycase we are coming up on an hour here; I am glad we are all having fun; and foss4g is going to rock out :-)
(8:11:09 AM) moovida: great
(8:11:14 AM) moovida: thanks for the chat guys
(8:11:40 AM) jgarnett: I will try and upload a 1.2-M2 sdk; but I will need testing (to see of the source code for geotools got in etc...)
(8:11:45 AM) emily_g: jody - before you run away I have a question about the image support on trunk & the problems graham was having yesterday
(8:11:49 AM) jgarnett: it is supposed to be building now; I was hoping to anounce it this meeting.
(8:11:53 AM) jgarnett: ah
(8:11:56 AM) jgarnett: sure
(8:12:13 AM) jgarnett: gdavis did not have his log on; so he did not notice the strack tace
(8:12:17 AM) emily_g: basically I did a clean/refresh/clean/build/restart and I still can't view mr.side files
(8:12:19 AM) moovida: gdavis_: is it possible to try out your sperimental plugins?
(8:12:22 AM) jgarnett: I forgot a null check and was killing it
(8:12:36 AM) emily_g: it's working for graham so its just my comptuer
(8:12:44 AM) emily_g: I was wondering whether you have any ideas for debugging?
(8:12:44 AM) jgarnett: gdavis also was using the wrong imageioext jars
(8:12:47 AM) jgarnett: he had 1.0.0
(8:12:49 AM) jgarnett: not 1.0.1
(8:13:22 AM) jgarnett: can you check what you have emily? before we start ... you may need to smack refresh.xml pretty hard (ie clean out the libs directory and then run)
(8:13:23 AM) emily_g: min all say 1.0.1
(8:13:39 AM) jgarnett: okay that is the first thing; you also have a JRE with all the imageio-ext stuff?
(8:13:57 AM) jgarnett: (note we still do not have a good JRE for the windows platform; we need to make a new one that can do ecw as well)
(8:14:07 AM) emily_g: yes - I'm using the same one as graham
(8:14:30 AM) jgarnett: okay; what is next ... what is your error? We have two debugging techniques
(8:14:38 AM) jgarnett: - consol log and look for strack trace
(8:14:51 AM) jgarnett: - place a breakpoint in the service extension and watch it process the URL
(8:15:18 AM) emily_g: okay ; I'll try those
(8:15:21 AM) emily_g: i'm not getting any error
(8:15:27 AM) emily_g: when I drag and drop a file it doesn't nothing
(8:15:40 AM) jgarnett: all that means is that it did not find any service extension that "recognized it"
(8:15:43 AM) emily_g: and when I open the file using the file menu it just hangs on the loading resource dialog box
(8:15:45 AM) jgarnett: so we need to put that break point in
(8:16:02 AM) jgarnett: so to debug this we will use debugging technique number 2
(8:16:15 AM) silli left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection).
(8:16:38 AM) jgarnett: suppose I should post the logs
(8:16:41 AM) emily_g: okay jody I'll try it out when I get the chance; at the moment I'm a bit sidetracked
(8:16:45 AM) emily_g: thanks for the ideas
(8:16:54 AM) jgarnett: okay; I will be on IRC on and off
(8:17:00 AM) jgarnett: so ping me when you get to the debugging part
(8:17:00 AM) emily_g: if I find anything major I'll post it to the list; most likely I'm just doing something stupid
(8:17:18 AM) jgarnett: (not gdavis also had problems with the code tripping up over spaces in the path)
(8:17:26 AM) jgarnett: heh - not you
(8:17:31 AM) jgarnett: blame the computer :-)
(8:17:41 AM) jgarnett: for extra fun "svn blame" will tell you who committed the error
(8:21:01 AM) emily_g: :)
(8:21:36 AM) jgarnett: aside: did you guys see the blog site now
(8:21:40 AM) jgarnett: pramsey made it look pretty
(8:22:21 AM) moovida: WOW!!!
(8:22:48 AM) moovida: that is better than the official JGrass homepage
(8:22:50 AM) moovida: :D
(8:22:58 AM) moovida: good Paul
(8:25:44 AM) jgarnett: well next time you see him online; be sure to thank him
(8:21:40 AM) jgarnett: pramsey made it look pretty
(8:22:21 AM) moovida: WOW!!!
(8:22:48 AM) moovida: that is better than the official JGrass homepage
(8:22:50 AM) moovida: :D
(8:22:58 AM) moovida: good Paul
(8:25:44 AM) jgarnett: well next time you see him online; be sure to thank him
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